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14 May 2008 @ 08:13 pm
Speed does not know that the driver of this car is secretly his older brother Rex ...  
who ran away from home years ago.

* Update - Here is the conclusion of my thoughts. I had to finish meet up with a friend last night (and kick some ass in Wii Tennis!) so I wasn't able to properly finish this post like a good little boy. Just be thankful that I am posting more than once a month. Also, the post was cleaned up a bit, some stuff added, so you might want to read again.*

That's right, this is a Speed Racer post. And contrary to what</a>[info] Liza and[info]Kyla have written here, I do not approve of this movie.

First, some background. I don't like cars. I don't like car movies. So I'm not your stereotypical "guy" in that respect. But I do like me some anime (provided it is good quality - I won't watch something just because she's a witch (and she makes fire!) despite the fact that the story is crap.) If I have any vice, it is towards large robots that transform into jets (see Macross.) I am currently watching Macross Frontier, Bleach, Naruto Shippuden, and Gundam (the original, I've never actually watched the original.) And, for the record, I do enjoy Speed Racer, the anime/American cartoon adaption. I think mostly because of the over the top acting and excited conversational patterns, including the narrator reminding the audience for the 100th time that Racer X is really Rex Racer, when it is so freaking obvious that Speed consistently comments about it throughout the serious until finally in the 50th episode (out of 52) Speed confronts Racer X only to get punched in the stomach, then while Speed unconscious, Rex reveals himself. Classic.

Where was I? Ah, right, Speed Racer the Movie. First, this was a kids movie. I can't speak for the marketing blitz in the States (since I don't live there), but if this movie wasn't marketed as a kids movie (which I get the feeling it wasn't), then people should be angry. As a kids movie, I think this works. It definitely pushed the boundaries about what visuals a kids movie can provide. Unless of course you are prone to epileptic seizures. That's fine, if the film is able to appeal to adults at different levels. Unfortunately, I think that the movie failed in that regard. Sure, there was the adult-ish plot with racing being linked to corporate takeover and whatnot, but there really wasn't much to that. I never felt any tension in the movie. Good movies build tension. This one didn't. It was very, very predictable. It always felt like Speed was going to win. (Of course he is going to win, but the appeal of a good movie is that you aren't sure that he actually is going to win.)

I have another issue with set design. As much as I love nice computer graphics (see Iron Man), the graphics should fit into the movie. They should be seamlessly integrated, and not detract from the movie experience. For me, filming in front of a green screen then adding everything else together layer by layer is not my idea of a good movie. (For an even bigger offender in this regard, see Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.) The world, though bright and cheery and whatnot, screamed fake to me. "But Kevin, it's a fucking real life anime. It's supposed to look something in between real and fake." True, but the colors and patterns were just too overwhelming for me. Maybe it was too much sixties. Instead of drawing me in, it make me want to look away (when I wasn't about to start having a seizure.)

A lot of the scenes, especially at Royalton Industries, reminded me of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, another movie that didn't really do it for me. That type of live action/animation integration was too much for me. I'm a believer that animation is best when it is kept to a minimum. The goal of special effects are to make something look real. If that illusion is broken, it ends up ruining the entire movie to me.


Computer-graphic Neo = Not Cool



Compare Matrix: Reloaded to Jurassic Park, made much earlier. God damn, do those dinosaurs look real. (Not that this screen shot does them any justice.)

The movie remained true to the characters, almost too true. Again, this is the complaint about this being a kids movie. There are two groups of people who can relate to Speed Racer. There are the kids from the sixties who grew up watching this show, and there are the kids from the 80s who caught the show on reruns or on cartoon network (where I'm assuming most of you saw the show.) Perhaps they were trying too hard to maintain the 1960s feel. Because Chim-Chim and Spritle fucking pissed me off. I'm sure that if I was a kid, they would have been fucking hilarious.

Speaking of which, as a kids movie, this is really, really long. I normally don't have a long attention span, but this movie, coming in at over two hours, must of driven some of the kids insane. Unless of course the barrage of colors and lights was designed to keep them occupied. Which it very well might have been.

Lastly, we come to Rain. RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Liz mentioned that the actors for this movie were perfect. I have to disagree. Some of the actors were very much out of place (Christina Ricci fucking got on my nerves every time she spoke. The real Trixi was never that annoying. Thank god they covered up her massive forehead.) But my biggest problem came from the casting of Jung Ji Hoon (Rain), Yu Nan and Hiroyuki Sanada in three of the bigger supporting actor roles. Incidentally, these are three big actors in South Korea, China and Japan, respectively. Sanada has done some good movies before (anyone see Sunshine? He was great in that - the movie was great too for the first hour or so, until it devolved into a standard horror flick), and it is based on a Japanese anime, after all. So people from Japan will at least theoretically be interested in seeing this movie. But this was Rain's and Yu Nan's US movie debut. The Wachowskis specifically grabbed people in order to make this movie a bigger hit outside the US. After all, Japan and Korea and the 2nd and 3rd largest movie markets outside the US. .

Normally, I don't have a problem with that. If the actor is a good actor, and the movie is good, then so be it. (However, when the movie is bad, like Memories of a Geisha, there is going to be a backlash when the vast majority of the actors in the movie aren't Japanese.) But when a movie has this whole anti-corporate greed message, then does something underhanded like pandering to foreign audiences in order to gain more views than they would have before. For example, check out this picture of Rain:


Photo taken from here courtesy of Koreanmovie.com

Notice Rain's left arm? That's the Korean alphabet (한글 Hangeul to be exact). It reads Tokokhan, the ㅡJapanese motor company from the movie. Granted, almost none of the Western-viewing audience will catch that, but is it really necessary to spell a Japanese company name using Korean letters? To me, that is blatantly pandering to the Korean audience to come see this movie. Once again, in the article here it says:

As an actor representing Korea, Jeong has tried to think of ways to reveal his nationality in the film. The production team agreed to support his patriotism, and chose the name of Jeong’s character carefully. They came up with Taejo Togokhan — Taejo referring to Taejo Wang Geon, the founder of the Goryeo Dynasty.

Jeong’s scenes also feature many Hangul letters, which indirectly introduce Korea and its culture. “I asked the production crew to portray Hangul characters in the scenes,” Jeong said. “As you will see in the film, Togokhan is written in Hangul. Many Westerners who saw the film said the letters were pretty.”

That's fine and good that Rain wants to be patriotic. Hell, I try to say something positive about the States every now and again while I'm in Korea, especially with all the anti-US / Mad Cow press recently. But when the character you are portraying is Japanese, is it really necessary to shove it down everyone's throat that the actor is Korean? (And what's the point of having a Chinese girl and Korean guy portraying Japanese people anyway? I know Americans think they all look the same, but still, there are plenty of us who know the difference.) Perhaps I've been in Korea too long, or perhaps it was the massive marketing campaign that promoted 비(Rain) for this movie, but it really annoys me that the directors pandered to the Korean audience in such a way. (BTW, the funniest thing in the movie, for me, was that the first time Rain appeared on the screen, I heard a quick squeal of "Rain!" from some random girl sitting behind me.) If memory serves me right, (and like the chairman of Iron Chef fame, it usually does) Japanese pop culture was only legally allowed to be imported into South Korea in 1988. I think that it is safe to say that Speed Racer (or Mach GoGoGo as is the Japanese name of the series) was never seen by a wide range of Korean audiences. Therefore, the only reason that people will go to see this film is if they like Rain. I know for a fact that these people aren't expecting to see a kids movie.

Still, I could overlook that if Rain was good. Maybe it was all coincidental. Maybe I'm over-reacting. But oh my goodness, did Rain's English suck. The reason why the Rain/Colbert Dance Off (see below) was done "after hours" was because Rain's English ability is simply not good enough to conduct an interview.


I saw the film with Yuni (she's doing well, by the way.) The entire time, when Rain appeared on the screen, Yuni kept saying, "Shhh, don't talk. Just look pretty." And it's true, he's got the pretty-boy with the awesome hair look down. His lines sounded awful though. With time, that will improve. Hopefully. Also what was the deal with his character? He was bad, then good, then bad, then good again, cheering for Speed to win the Grand Prix, and only giving up Royalton after his family had sold the company, getting tons of money in the process. Had Royalton's driver won the race, then he wouldn't have given him up? I don't understand.

Thankfully, Korean viewers tended to agree with me about the movie, as Speed Racer did not reach number one status last week [held instead by Iron Man, for the second week in a row. (Stats taken from here.)]

This WeekTitle............................................Release DateScreens NationwideWeekend Revenue (bil. won)Total Revenue (bil. won)
1.Iron Man 4.306174.8518.02
2.Speed Racer 5.084852.412.74
3.Taken 4.093030.9913.54
4.Forbidden Kingdom 4.243000.627.22
5. Horton 4.303440.523.16
6.Beastie Boys (Korean) 4.303060.604.07
7.Priceless 5.081240.360.41
8.Tale of the Legendary Libido (Garujigi - Korean) 4.303090.191.62
9.Seouli Boinya (Korean) 5.081650.140.17
10.Detective Conan: Phantom of Baker Street 5.01410.130.53

You know what disappointed me the most though? The movie wasn't cheesy enough. I think the greatest appeal of the original Speed Racer series was the horrible voice acting, the out of sync voices, and memorable voice-overs about Racer X. Honestly, if they had parodied this even once during the movie, I think I would have appreciated it a lot more.

To answer Liz's question, I did like the cross country race, where Speed was able to use the Mock 5's special abilities. Those scenes were amazing. That felt like the original show. Unfortunately, it was only for that race. If all the races were like that, the movie would have been infinitely better. And Speed, Racer X (Liked him much better than his role as a Catalan terrorist from Vantage Point), Pops and others were very well cast. Overall, the movie just didn't do it for me. Would I eventually show it to my six year old kid? Maybe. As long as he or she is not prone to getting epileptic seizures.
 
 
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リス: speed // gogogo - speed - x[info]cigamerisedi on May 14th, 2008 12:24 pm (UTC)
Well, just try and stop me from commenting now. :p I'll refrain from agreeing with certain things until I see if you have other things to agree with - but UNTIL then, do you have anything NICE to say about the film?
Kai: hp; slytherclaw - tact[info]slyfoxesq on May 14th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
You gotta turn off comments if you want to stop us, Kev. XD

I did also get the Charlie and the Chocolate factory vibe in the Royalton Industries scene, which I didn't like. But I thought the colours and bluescreen/greenscreen, while vaguely reminiscent of a liveaction Dr. Seuss movie (not a compliment at all) weren't so bad and the technicolour cast reminded me more of the suburbs in Edward Scissorhands. I think usually there is a thick, easily noticeable line between "good, subtle use of CG" and "awful, jarring, fake use of CG." However, in this film, that line didn't exist because the WHOLE FILM was in that style. When something crazy happened, it didn't jar me, because it fit smoothly in with the rest of the cotton candy crazy graphics.

Anyway, I thought the races were quite exciting and the film was funny and stayed true to the characters and intent of the original series, so I thoroughly enjoyed it.

And FYI, it's been marketed as "Speed Racer." No need to specify it's a kid's movie; the ONLY people who will go are either fans of the original, as you say, or families with small kids. That was the make-up of our theater. It's advertising it as the crackaddled adventure it is, not trying to make it look like a serious racing movie or something. And there's Speed Racer happy meals at McDonalds and a whole aisle of Speed Racer toys at Target. I didn't get the feeling that they were marketing it as "srs business" nor do I think the trailers give that image. The trailer was a pretty good representation of what I got.

And for the record, Spritle and Chim-Chim are annoying in any incarnation. XD I will agree Christina Ricci's makeup was crazy insane and disquieted me. But I thought Speed was awesome.

Looking forward to seeing where you're going with the casting of three Asian stars. My take is that they wanted to include Asian stars to hat-tip back to Japan, so the film wasn't another instance of whitewashing Japan/Asia's contributions to the world, even though the characters in the original anime were designed to be white/not really Asian. It would have been more of an insult, to me, to have an entirely White cast. (And Rain had the coolest hair in the movie, for serious.)

Edited at 2008-05-14 08:40 pm (UTC)
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 15th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
Trailer
For the record, I thought the trailer sucked. It in no way, shape or form made me want to see this movie.
Kai: batman; family drama[info]slyfoxesq on May 15th, 2008 05:53 am (UTC)
Re: Trailer
Which one? XD They've released four different ones plus teasers. 8D (They're all up at apple.com/trailers)

I think - and this is not a criticism of you - but I think our expectations and the atmosphere affected the way we viewed the film. You went into it thinking the trailer sucked, the special effects looked seizure-inducing, you were skeptical about the casting and much more sensitive to issues about advertising and "pandering" to Asian audiences due to where you are. I was totally pumped, thought it looked awesome, thought the special effects looked shiny, and basically just expected a fun movie full of eye candy - hot cars, hot guys, hot races. You got a movie you feel negatively about to critique - I got a movie I thought was a lot of fun. I am not saying your critiques are not valid (and certainly the critical response supports your take), but I think our own expectations and attitude towards a film grossly affects how we feel about it. I've had films ruined for me more than once by going with a crowd of people who just weren't into it (were being very negative about it) and surprise, I hated it. However, when I watched the film later in a different situation, I realised I adored it. (Like the Royal Tenenbaums.) And I've done the reverse, thought a film was awesome because I had such a good time seeing it, only to realise upon rewatching that really it wasn't that funny/clever/good/whatever.
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 16th, 2008 12:11 am (UTC)
Re: Trailer
The only trailer I saw was in theaters. I'm not sure, but I don't really want to take the time and check all of them to tell you exactly which trailer I sat through. So I'll take the easy way out and say they were all awful.

What's the deal with you and shiny things?

I agree with what you are saying. We did come into this movie from completely different positions, and of course expectations can affect how we view a movie. The whole living in Korea has influenced me (positively or negatively) to be biased.

How do you think Speed Racer will hold up with multiple viewings? Will it become a cult classic, or another mediocre movie? Also, how does the success/failure of the Speed Racer affect the upcoming Dragonball live-action movie?
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 15th, 2008 01:41 am (UTC)
On a more serious note...
Kyla, to respond to your comment about Japanese characters in anime and manga always looking white, I was just reading something interesting about this. In manga and whatnot, Japanese will always appear white, while Chinese or Korean characters introduced in a story appear more Asian. Traditionally, most western observers believed that Japanese draw themselves looking white because they associate themselves with the Western (i.e. white) world, rather than with Asia. However, a closer look a various manga publications shows that if the series takes place in China or Korea featuring Chinese or Korean characters, then those characters are drawn looking "white" while any Japanese person who shows up is drawn looking "Asian". Basically, the author of the article I read theorized that the "white" look was just the standard drawing style for whatever people that the manga was about. The reason that artists don't try to make their characters look more Asian is because that is simply not the style. It is not so much an identity issue and more a style issue. (I'd add a link to the article, but I can't seem to find it right now.)
Kai: sr; speed and x[info]slyfoxesq on May 15th, 2008 05:48 am (UTC)
Re: On a more serious note...
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (maybe even the Wiki article) that Tatsuo Yoshida deliberately "Westernized" the characters and style of the show, especially in their appearance and attire. I mean, the show was inspired by two American movies.

I wasn't saying characters in manga/anime always appear white (though that is true). I was just saying I thought it was nice that they included Asian characters in recognition that it was an Asian series, even if the main cast are portrayed as Westerners.

And on your comments on "Korean"-ing up Rain's character.. I felt that they were putting a lot of effort into globalizing the movie and making nationalities less distinct. I mean, the Racers are apparently American, but their mechanic is Australian, Speed's schoolteacher and the head of Royalton are English, and there were a whole host of really random European accents scattered throughout the film. If the Western characters are such a mix, is it really fair to demand that the Asian part of the cast all 1. be characters of the same nationality and 2. be played by actors of the same nationality? I didn't see it as "trying to pull a fast one on the dumb American audience" as much as representative of whatever global feel the rest of the cast and setting had. Tokokhan was a generic Eastern company as much as Royalton was a generic Western one. I know in many films they are relying on the audience not to know the difference, but in this one, since they had such a mix of accents on the Western front, I'm not inclined to look too deeply into it.

And for the record, I thought Rain's lines were delivered adorably. :) And his character isn't good/bad/good/bad/good - he's consistent. He never wanted to bring down Royalton - he just wanted to save his family / his family's business. That's been his goal all along. Everything he did was to save the family business (in a way, Speed was doing the same thing, except he didn't stoop to low levels to achieve it). Of course, he still hates Royalton for doing what they did to begin with, but he assumes, realistically, that he's stuck with them and can't change the system. At the end, he's accomplished his goal so is no longer personally affected, but when it seems like Speed actually has a chance he cheers for him because he's against Royalton and the system, but he assumed he was unbeatable. If Speed proves him wrong, he's all for it.

It'd be akin to despising a horrible teacher at school but never wanting to speak up because you have your own grades and whatnot to worry about. You'll do what you have to, even suck up if necessary, to get the grades. But if someone else with more balls and more of a sense of honour comes along and challenges that teacher (goes above his head to report him or something, or just stands up to him in class), you cheer for that kid. Especially if you've already gotten your grade and have nothing to fear from the teacher for openly defying him.

In short, Tokokhan was a total Slytherin. XD Thus, I totally understand why he did what he did.
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 16th, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
Re: On a more serious note...
I was trying to link Rain into the context of a kid's movies. Most kid's (under 10) haven't developed the sense of shades of gray. A person is either good or bad. So the whole switching back and forth could be seen a confusing for a child that doesn't quite have the reasoning skills that we have.

As for your comment about westernizing the show, yes, according to Wikipedia (always reliable) the show was based off of Goldfinger and Viva Las Vegas. However, it doesn't mention the author mimicking a western art style.

Compare Speed Racer to its Japanese comtemporary Astro-boy. Astro-boy's character's also have the "white" look (despite looking distinctly more cartoony than the characters in Speed Racer.) So I still say it was more a matter of style (considering the prevailing comic book style at the time was Disney, this makes sense that Japanese animators would adopt a similar style.)

I can see what you are saying about the international cast. I see the international cast as working in two ways. 1) to give the movie more appeal by making it seem less of a US movie and more of an international movie and 2) to more accurately serve as a reflection of the racing world. The biggest racing companies are located in Europe and Japan, respectively. Hence the inclusion of many Europeans and Asians.
リス: speed // gogogo - speed - x[info]cigamerisedi on May 17th, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
Re: On a more serious note...
Honey, you obviously didn't read all the way down or pay attention to the contents bar. You might want to check out Westernization of Characters in that article. It is very well written and intelligent and I think speaks to a lot of what you are saying.

Notably...
a. The Western appearances being a possible example of mukokuseki/statelessness - which Kyla has talked about brilliantly. I couldn't even keep track of what nationality everyone was supposed to be which then ultimately made it not matter. It was a hodge podge. And like you said, not a bad way to pay homage to the fact that racing is very International.

b.I don't think it's a little thing that Speed is supposed to look like Elvis and the other influence was Bond - these are VERY American brands. That makes me feel like the characters were specifically designed to look American than most any other anime. Other anime I could see as it just being a style thing, but this appears pretty blatant to me.

c. And this sums things up nicely to me: Beyond Speed Racer's appeal as an early anime, the series generally was for family entertainment and does not contain the deep intellectual conflicts or controversies seen in anime today. It can be argued that the storylines in Speed Racer were more complicated than conventional American cartoons of the 1960s, but the overall purpose was to please a growing fanbase worldwide with exciting plots that involved facing adversity on the race track and beyond.
It's not the most nuanced anime, but it was slightly complicated for its time. And kids need to learn that good/bad is NOT black and white anyway. If they don't get Rain's character, it can be explained. Even Kyla's example is one that takes place as early as grade school. Tokokhan was faithless, that's all. It's not that he was evil, he was selfish - and I think that's clear. If it's frustrating, which I found it to be, it just makes kids less likely to admire such a character.

Edited at 2008-05-17 04:07 pm (UTC)
Robin: hoodsie otter[info]robinelaine on May 15th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
Possibly revealing my horrible racism
When I saw "Rain" listed as an actor in the credits, I assumed it was the name of the monkey who played Chim-Chim. It didn't help that Chim-Chim was on the screen at the time that credit appeared.

I really enjoyed this extra information about the casting/marketing of Speed Racer and can't wait to tell my friend who saw it with me. Thanks for the facts!
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 15th, 2008 11:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Possibly revealing my horrible racism
Don't worry about not knowing Rain. I'd have no idea who he was if I hadn't moved to Korea for two years. Plus the Colbert Report really help build my awareness of him.
リス: eng // wtf - confused - shocked[info]cigamerisedi on May 17th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
Alright, I think you and Kyla might have talked this to death, but I wanted to respond now that (I think ;p) you're done with this massive post (do you know how to lj-cut?)

Two small things - your link to my journal has broken your text up and it's Memoirs of Geisha. I mean, this is such an epic post, I wouldn't want the little things to get in the way. ;)

I agree that some of the CG is was just too over the top. The things that jumped out to me would be the sky outside Speed's school when Rex comes to pick him up and the horrible Segway insanity at Royalton. Really, if those two things would have been handled differently I don't think I would have much issue with the rest.

I liked the rally race, but I also enjoyed all of the races. They each had their unique aspects and interesting track features so I was always entertained. But I have also grown up with racing and so I do find that component of the film to be a lot of fun for me.

And although you didn't ask me this question - I do think this movie will stand up to repeated viewings for myself. This and Iron Man have made me want to buy DVDs again and I haven't felt that way in awhile.

No, it wasn't perfect. You have brought up excellent points and your opinion is well-founded for you, but I do agree on Kyla's assessment of your bias and I am sorry that you couldn't just have enjoyed it for what it was.
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 19th, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)
Comments are fun!
Yay! I like multiple comments. Just to respond:

1) Don't use the cartoon to justify confusion in the movie. The cartoon was mature for its time. Yet now, it's nothing compared to the things that kids watch nowadays. (Pokemon is really deep.) Comparing the originals "maturity" to the current movie is like comparing 60's apples and 00's oranges, because they both exist in two very different time periods.

2) Haven't you realized by now that my inner child died a long time ago?

3) I did think about livejournal cut, though only after I finished the post. By that time, I was too lazy to go back and change it. Sorry to take up your entire friends page.
El Presidente[info]ronink77 on May 19th, 2008 06:22 am (UTC)
Also...
It it important that we we talk about Speed Racer The Movie, Speed Racer the cartoon, and Mach GoGoGo the original anime, that all three are very different beings. The movie is based off the American version, not the Japanese version (though it did pay homage to the original Japanese a bit.) know that the US version was heavily edited from the Japanese version. Tatsuo Yoshida's origina intentions for the meaning of the anime cannot be decifered through the US dub nor the new movie. For example, looking at the original Japanese characters, their names were Go Mifune (Speed), Michi Shimura (Trixi), Senpei (Chim Chim), Detective Rokugo (Inspector Detector), Sabu (Sparks), etc. In short, all the main characters were Japanese. However, without watching the original anime, I can't say for sure that every single character in the show was Japanese. I can say that the original anime was made for a Japanese audience, using Japanese names.
 
 

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